tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12672109.post112286336653402011..comments2023-05-26T07:27:01.560-07:00Comments on Inexpugnable: Ode to Non-Violent Revolution OPUS IIvoixd'angehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03999151450694973251noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12672109.post-1123074018962582132005-08-03T06:00:00.000-07:002005-08-03T06:00:00.000-07:00You're right of course. Dying in the process of pe...You're right of course. Dying in the process of peacemaking is not a failure, except a failure on the part of those doing the shooting. But it is often perceived and described as such by those who doubt peacemaking's power.<BR/><BR/>I embraced their mindset for a minute and probably shouldn't have. Thanks.Dan Trabuehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14303597141397042669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12672109.post-1123020171963479032005-08-02T15:02:00.000-07:002005-08-02T15:02:00.000-07:00I wouldn't neccessarily consider the soldier shoot...I wouldn't neccessarily consider the soldier shooting a sign of failure. Yes, people sometimes do get hurt and even killed in non-violent protest. But you go into it fully aware that there could be consequences. Part of the beauty of it is people willing to make the ultimate sacrifice with no guarantee of success. What was it Gandhi said? “100,000 English cannot control 35 million Indians who choose to disobey.”voixd'angehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03999151450694973251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12672109.post-1123003790365838642005-08-02T10:29:00.000-07:002005-08-02T10:29:00.000-07:00I'll add a realistic caveat: Just peacemaking/paci...I'll add a realistic caveat: Just peacemaking/pacifism works, and yet sometimes it fails. Sometimes, the soldier shoots.<BR/><BR/>The thing is, I'd say that it works at least as often and in a more morally-consistent manner than war. <BR/><BR/>By choosing a pacifistic response, we may get slapped in the cheek or the offender may repent. BUT either way, we've maintained our moral authority and that's a great difference.Dan Trabuehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14303597141397042669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12672109.post-1122995077929105292005-08-02T08:04:00.000-07:002005-08-02T08:04:00.000-07:00Great idea Dan!!!! You should do it! I have been k...Great idea Dan!!!! You should do it! I have been kicking around the idea of a book along the lines of these post. People need to know that NON - VIOLENCE WORKS!voixd'angehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03999151450694973251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12672109.post-1122992890879222302005-08-02T07:28:00.000-07:002005-08-02T07:28:00.000-07:00One thought my pacifist friends and I have been ki...One thought my pacifist friends and I have been kicking around is the idea of creating a WarAlternatives.org website that would give pretty detailed peaceful alternatives to war-making. To my surprise and dismay, there is not such a site in existence.<BR/><BR/>I think one legitimate criticism that has been levelled towards peacemakers is that we haven't been forthcoming with answers to the question: If not war, then what?<BR/><BR/>As in, there is genocide happening in Sudan. If we don't send it troops, then what?<BR/><BR/>This website would address that and then some. Now to just find the time to do it...Dan Trabuehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14303597141397042669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12672109.post-1122926156965481482005-08-01T12:55:00.000-07:002005-08-01T12:55:00.000-07:00I am a pacifist, and my post are a response to tho...I am a pacifist, and my post are a response to those who feel that non-violence is pie - in - the sky heady idealism that is unrealistic as a means for social and politcal change.voixd'angehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03999151450694973251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12672109.post-1122922645090288642005-08-01T11:57:00.000-07:002005-08-01T11:57:00.000-07:00Hi Ange, what has prompted your desire for non-vio...Hi Ange, what has prompted your desire for non-violent revolution?existentialisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18121706260786532883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12672109.post-1122903740679392762005-08-01T06:42:00.000-07:002005-08-01T06:42:00.000-07:00That's incredibly inspiring.That's incredibly inspiring.Madcaphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08966173518099250557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12672109.post-1122902402187094312005-08-01T06:20:00.000-07:002005-08-01T06:20:00.000-07:00Amen, Amen Amen! Thank you for sharing this story,...Amen, Amen Amen! Thank you for sharing this story, and please take all of the time and room you want to share more!<BR/><BR/>" I love this line of education here. We need to hear more about how often Peace works."<BR/><BR/>That is exactly why I am doing this. And trust me, I'm not finished singing yet!voixd'angehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03999151450694973251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12672109.post-1122901496939958112005-08-01T06:04:00.000-07:002005-08-01T06:04:00.000-07:00Along these lines, one of my favorite "small" peac...Along these lines, one of my favorite "small" peacemaking stories of the last few years concerns Ohio peacemaker, Art Gish.<BR/><BR/>Art and his wife Peggy have been traveling to Hot Spots these last few years as peacemakers. A couple of years ago, Art was in Israel.<BR/><BR/>One cold evening, an Israeli soldier stopped a Palestinian youth for being out past curfew. The soldier demanded that the youth take off his coat and stand there in the cold.<BR/><BR/>Art happened along and tried to intervene on behalf of the youth, saying he'd escort him home. The soldier would have none of it.<BR/><BR/>And so, Art (who is probably in his 70's) took off his coat...and shirt, and tshirt and pants...<BR/><BR/>"What are you doing?!" the soldier asked. Art explained he was going to stand in solidarity with the youth and continued to strip.<BR/><BR/>The soldier sent them home!<BR/><BR/>"And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy shirt also..." My sort of biblical literalist.Dan Trabuehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14303597141397042669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12672109.post-1122901138103076292005-08-01T05:58:00.000-07:002005-08-01T05:58:00.000-07:00I love this line of education here. We need to hea...I love this line of education here. We need to hear more about how often Peace works.Dan Trabuehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14303597141397042669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12672109.post-1122895913273727462005-08-01T04:31:00.000-07:002005-08-01T04:31:00.000-07:00Thanks C.That is my goal, and what I strive for. O...Thanks C.That is my goal, and what I strive for. One of the things I dislike the least in people is insincerity.voixd'angehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03999151450694973251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12672109.post-1122869505365400982005-07-31T21:11:00.000-07:002005-07-31T21:11:00.000-07:00You're the real deal Angevoix.You're the real deal Angevoix.Constantine https://www.blogger.com/profile/02399573462513951395noreply@blogger.com